Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Some Americans Are Still Suffering From The Brainwashing
These Flag Waving, Pro-War Folks Are So Clueless
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http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ayman_al_zawahiri_makes_the_case_for_staying_in_iraq/
Aside from the expected response of "Bush provoked them to make Iraq a front in the 'War On Terrorism'" I would love to see you articulate a view on what Al Zawahiri said the other day in which listed Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somolia as fronts in the war against the infidel.
Today he warned of more attacks in the UK.
Funny how the only people who ARE NOT following your script are the TERRORISTS!!!
Those places are now fronts in his mind because we are there.
The U.S. created a magnet for Al Qaeda in Iraq, once we arrived.
And do you honestly believe that tanks, warplanes, bombs and aircraft carriers will stop terrorism??? On the contrary...U.S. Hegemony and arrogance has been one of the root causes of terrorism, particularly its blind support of all things Israel.
Tanks, warplanes, bombs, and Aircraft carriers will not stop terrorism. It didn't stop 9/11 and it won't stop any future attacks. The U.S. was not attacked on 9/11 because it had a weak military. The U.S. was attacked on 9/11 because of weak border security, lax immigration policies, and an out of date law enforcement and intelligence structure, a troubled foreign policy over the last few decades, and the incompetent government that was in place at the time of the attack.
We could double or triple the size of the U.S. military and attack a few more countries....but that has nothing to do with a group of religious extremists applying for student or tourist visas overseas, getting on airplanes, and entering our territory (with ease)...and blending in with our society.... and even overstaying their visas without anyone looking for them. Once here, they can obtain everything they need to do us harm....all they would need is a credit card.
There isn't a damn thing that the U.S. Army could do to stop that.
Fighting Terrorism effectively Involves:
*Strengthening law enforcement cooperation
*Better Country to Country Cooperation/Good diplomatic relations
*Tracking and Going after Terrorism financing/freezing funds
*Improving intelligence
*Radically strengthening immigration policy
*Using information resources/improving our image and moral standing in the World.
*Changing foreign policy
*Improving cultural/religious exchange...both at the governmental level and at the people-people level
And various other non-military means.
However, military power (as leverage) can and probably should play a role.... but it should be a minor one.
[quote]The U.S. created a magnet for Al Qaeda in Iraq, once we arrived.
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Of course your line of reasoning brings you to say this.
They just loved us prior to Bush getting into office. That is why they bombed the US Cole, the US Embassy in Kenya, the US Embassy in Tanzania, the first World Trade Center bombing.
What did Bali bombing have to do with the UK or Britian?
Angry Independnet - Did you watch the CNN Special with Chistianna Amphor? She did an investigation about Islamic Radicals within Britian. They predict that Europe will have Sharia Law imposed upon it in about 100 years. The liberals and feminists who today are free to fight this war BY FIGHTING THE UNITED STATES' actions but saying little about the actions of the Muslim Fundamentalists will have their hands full in several decades.
AI: Aside from the Immigration points - could you tell me which of these the United States is NOT doing on your list?
Do you also notice that you have little to ask of THE INNOCENT MUSLIM COMMUNITY nor the MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS.
If the United States is to abide by the Geneva Convention......what do you ask of the MUSLIMS? (I would like an honest answer from you on this point)
You must have missed the comment that I made a couple of days ago.... Here
I basically stated what you just stated here.
I agree that Al Qaeda became an enemy a long time ago...prior to the current war in Iraq.
What I stated in my previous comment was that the U.S. created a magnet for Al Qaeda in Iraq specifically.... not that Al Qaeda was not already an enemy.
Al Qaeda would not be waging battle in Iraq if we had not invaded. Saddam would not have allowed it... he was at odds with radical religious groups like Al Qaeda. Although he was a ruthless dictator, he preferred Iraq to be more secular... while the Islamists dreamed of having (and continue to want) a fundamentalist Islamic State.
And I already know about Al Qaeda in Europe.... I don't need to watch CNN, although I have seen bits and pieces of the program.
PBS Frontline has a better program regarding Al Qaeda in Europe. IMO. It goes into more detail.
And on your question about Muslims...
That is part of what I meant when I mentioned Cultural/religious exchange. Of course there needs to be more of an effort to reach out to moderate Muslims.
And do you really want me to list all of the things on that list that the U.S. is not doing???
Come on CF... you know as well as I do what the U.S. isn't doing.
You must be a new reader of this blog, because I have been posting my butt off about those issues for the past year and a half.
[quote]Al Qaeda would not be waging battle in Iraq if we had not invaded.[/quote]
Just to ask you. Could you fill in the blank:
"The United States would not be waging battle in Iraq if ________________".
Just to set the stage broader than the most obvious answer from some people "If BUSH was not in office" - how do you factor the 10 years of bombing associated with "The No Fly Zone" as well as the negative impact from United Nations sanctions? (From the BBC of August 12,1999 aka BEFORE evil BUSH stole the presidency
World: Middle East
Iraqis blame sanctions for child deaths
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/418625.stm)
[quote] Saddam would not have allowed it... he was at odds with radical religious groups like Al Qaeda. Although he was a ruthless dictator, he preferred Iraq to be more secular... while the Islamists dreamed of having (and continue to want) a fundamentalist Islamic State.[/quote]
How does the HUMAN RIGHTS policies of Saddam or the Islamicists square with the goals of the body of human rights organizations, protesters and Anti-War organizations? Why is it that the US lead war give them voice while they were so silent while Saddam was brutally killing people?
One important aspect of it all is that for one's "moral outrage" to impact the actions of a perpetrator....that perp must 'GIVE A DAMN' about what you think of their actions and have a goal of at least trying to live up to certain standards.
Thus 2 weeks ago when I heard the "Islamic Association Of North America", a Muslim group FINALLY speaking out against torture I was greatly heartened. My glee was quickly shattered when I found out that they were ONLY TALKING ABOUT the "TORTURE" committed by the UNITED STATES with our secret prisons.
So while the USA is accused of desecrating the Qu'ran by simulated flushing down the toilet when a fellow Muslim blows up the Qu'ran......and the Muslim who was carrying it AND the mosque from which he was departing from having prayed to the same God as the guy who dialed the cellphone to set off the bomb.........the Muslim community (along with the "War Is Not The Answer Folks" is strangely SILENT on this one.
This is an ASYMMETRIC WAR.
I am not speaking about military weaponry. I am speaking about the asymmetry in regards to the expectations of civility and international law as imposed on BOTH sides of the battle.
The actions of the United States alone are up for scrutiny.
Clearly there is an element of [fill in the blank] SUPREMACY going on as SAVAGES are expect to do what SAVAGES do. (This is not my label upon them. This label is clearly expressed by the world's reaction to the Muslims and what they do.
More Muslims in Iraq have been killed by other Muslims at this point than by American military action.)
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